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Down, the Serpent and the Sun

by Chandler Groover profile

(based on 28 ratings)
3 reviews32 members have played this game. It's on 20 wishlists.

About the Story

The feathered serpent coils before you, greater than any god or any monster. Maimed warriors are crushed beneath its claws. The sun will never rise again.

Awards

Entrant - ParserComp 2015

Ratings and Reviews

5 star:
(2)
4 star:
(8)
3 star:
(17)
2 star:
(1)
1 star:
(0)
Average Rating: based on 28 ratings
Number of Reviews Written by IFDB Members: 3
3 of 3 people found the following review helpful:
A polished game with a lavish, gory setting., July 20, 2017
by verityvirtue (London)
Related reviews: melancholic

The serpent has eaten the sun. You are the last one who can get it back.

Based loosely on Aztec myths, this game presents a prime example of Groover's signature imagination. Down is dark and bloody - set, after all, in the maw of a monster - but unlikely metaphors abound. Gemstones in gullets. A sun in the stomach.

Contrasts abound in this game. You must relinquish control in the beginning to be able to participate, despite being a warrior - a person of action! The serpent is a broken, diseased creature, despite being undeniably powerful - having swallowed the sun and defeated all before you.

Though somewhat more ornate, and definitely more outspoken than some of Groover's other games, Down, the Serpent and the Sun is well worth playing.

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2 of 2 people found the following review helpful:
An almost-linear map in a highly unusual setting, October 17, 2024
Related reviews: 15-30 minutes

This game is Chandler Groover's earliest game. In it, a feathered serpent devours you while you are standing on a Mesoamerican pyramid, and you can only move up and down within the body for most of the game. While flesh and organic parts abound, there is also a lot of symbolic imagery providing for some vivid descriptions.

The reaction it received and his postmortem almost serve as an origin story for his later games. He mentions (mild spoilers for the types of puzzles in the game but not their solutions):

(Spoiler - click to show)Other people do not play parser games like I do. I like to examine everything, so I wrote descriptions for almost everything in my game, with the idea that people would examine things to uncover clues. However, many people didn’t seem to do that, so they missed clues for the puzzles if the clues weren’t placed in the general room descriptions. In the future, I cannot expect other players to share my devotion to examining the scenery, unless I give explicit instructions that this should be done (which I’ll most likely do, because I love the mechanic of examining things within things within things).

and about puzzles in general:

"Don’t add puzzles just to add puzzles. This probably means, for me, don’t add puzzles. I’m not nearly as interested in the puzzle-solving aspect of interactive fiction as I am with its potential for creating atmosphere, or for warping a narrative’s meaning with dynamic text. Those are what I ought to focus more on."

Groover's later emphasis on light-puzzle and limited parser games with easy-to-understand mechanics does seem like a direct result of these early design decisions.

I love the vivid imagery in the game. I do agree it takes close attention. I thought I remembered how to beat it, from years ago, but even knowing part of the puzzle I had to go to the walkthrough after going up and down the serpent several times in order to find the starting place of the first puzzle.

I liked this game enough to base a significant chunk of my game Grooverland in it, and I'm surprised I had never reviewed it. Definitely worth checking out! One of the smoothest-implemented 'first games' I've seen.

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2 of 2 people found the following review helpful:
Memorable, but Challenging, March 1, 2015

This is a quick game, but only if you're able to surmount its challenges (some intended by the author, some not). There are red herrings and optional herrings and unseen things that must be sought, as well as at least one coding issue that can hang people up and cause them to abandon the game. But I played it with ClubFloyd and we stuck with it and found a couple of endings, including the one that I think is the 'good' ending.

I can see why the other review so far gave it three stars. It's a first time author's game, written in under a week, and it (not surprisingly) has issues, but I liked the concept and the imaginative setting. I also have a soft spot for games that explore anatomy, and I enjoyed the blending of qualitative description and clinical jargon. So I bumped up to four stars for this.

Definitely memorable.

Not for the feint of heart (or those of weak stomach).

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5 Off-Site Reviews

Emily Short's Interactive Storytelling
Points to this one for presenting a highly unusual setting: the body of a feathered serpent that has just (I think per Aztec mythology?) swallowed the sun. Gloom and gore abound.
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PyramidIF
This is a decently accomplished piece. It's very sparsely implemented (think Ecdysis) but that works against it. Lots of scenery doesn't seem useful. By the time you reach the...terminus of the serpent you might have missed important things you could actually interact with. It's a short game though, and worth it for the unusual setting.
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SPAG
The puzzles are pleasantly straightforward (at least to reach one of two similar endings), making this a nice game of exploration through an atypical and grotesque setting. --C.E.J. Pacian
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Stuff I have to say about stuff, and stuff
I think the game was a bit too sparse, but this looks like it can be fixed. The rejection messages are very atmospheric and non-generic and give a nice sense of impending doom, so well done there!
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These Heterogenous Tasks

This has some strong things going for it – ambitious prose, a strong mythic feel, a really strong idea of the mood it wants to evoke – but those same things drag some pretty big problems along with them.
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