Suicide

by Dan Doyle III profile

Slice of life
2010

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11 of 11 people found the following review helpful:
Neither dark nor humorous, November 26, 2010
by The Year Is Yesterday (California)

First off, I should note that it's clear that, implementation-wise, the author knows his stuff. The help file is extensive, the endings are profuse and various, and he's clearly taken time to allow for multiple ways of achieving - or avoiding - the goal. The quality of the writing is also, from a technical perspective, high: descriptions are concise and occasionally colorful, and there are few if any errors or typos, showing that a high level of care and polish went into this title.

Unfortunately, the issue that I (and many others, judging from the mixed reviews) encountered concerns the premise itself, or rather, the tone the work adopts toward its subject matter. "About the story" promises "elements of dark humor," but I found nothing in my various interactions particularly dark or humorous. This may just be a matter of taste, but let it be said that, although I have some personal experience with the subject matter, I'm no prude. I wouldn't have minded some hilarity, even if it were in ill taste. What I got, instead, was after-school-special material, shallow melodrama.

The author's notes in the help menu may shed some light on this. He says that it originally started as a joke, replacing "You have died" with "You have survived." But somewhere along the way, whether at the coaxing of testers who couldn't stomach the subject matter or of his own volition, he decided that "it wasn't a joking matter." So we've essentially got the setup for a joke, but halfway through it becomes a moralizing tale, and it fails to leave an impression on either count. The PC's motivations for committing suicide are so banal it's almost painful, and the writing encapsulates none of the real angst of depression.

I'll conclude by reiterating what I said at the beginning: as a game, this is nicely polished and shows great care. It's entirely possible to appreciate on those merits alone; it's also possible the ambivalent tone will strike a chord with you that it failed to with me. However, I can't help feeling that the author, for fear of offending people or trivializing a serious issue, held back at crucial moments, resulting in a story that doesn't live up to its implementation.


10 of 13 people found the following review helpful:
Dark Humor in Bad Taste, November 22, 2010

This game seems to have a lot of negative reviews, and I can understand why: it deals with teen suicide in a joking manner. A topic like this is contraversial, and the author doesn't treat it as the serious topic perhaps he should.

I think a lot of the problem comes from his help file, where he states that it's meant to be serious. Clearly, it is not. While some endings do show the protagonist being maimed (due to failed suicide) or show the parents getting divorced or falling into dispair due to successful suicide, some do not. It seems that the true purpose of this piece is to make light of a social issue.

I admit, I was one of the playtesters on this game, and perhaps I had special insight, knowing the author personally. I also don't have any personal insight into actual suicide, so perhaps I didn't treat it as if suicide was somehow a "taboo" topic.

I thought the game was hilarious- I'll go ahead and say it. It's harder to die than to not die, and that's obviously the point. Some of the endings are ridiculous (Urban Legend, Out of the fire and into the frying pan), and some deaths that should have worked did not (Spoiler - click to show) such as slitting the wrists while in the bath tub .

The girl wants to kill herself because (Spoiler - click to show) she's upset about her boyfriend ditching her to go out with her teen enemy . Sure, not a good reason to commit suicide, but then, one of the top reasons people commit suicide is due to chemical imbalances in the brain, such as being bipolar. While the game never comes out and says this, it seems to imply by the girl's description of things that she is bipolar, especially with how easily she gives up on suicide once she's in a good mood.

The author pulls a subtle double-bluff in this game. The given purpose is to kill yourself, with the twist being that it's difficult. Of course, the double-twist is that it is possible to succeed in changing the girl's mind, deciding instead to give up on suicicide. There are a few ways to do this, but it is possible. (Spoiler - click to show) Not having tried ecstasy myself, I can't speak too much about it's use, but I do know that it used to be prescribed by therapists to rape victims to help in therapy, and after taking the ecstasy the girl does go get therapy, so perhaps that's just the catalyst that got her to seek help .

If you look past the subject matter and don't take it too seriously, there's fun to be had in this game. If you can't do that, then save the girl instead of killing her. If Dan made a mistake with this, I'd say he tried to appeal to both the people who would want to save the girl, and the people who would want to kill the girl at the same time.

If it were me, I'd have removed the disclaimer in the help file and just stood behind the game for what it is: a south park style joke about suicide. I think a lot of the problems come from people thinking it was something else (as another person says: a bait-and-switch). It's not 5 star material, but I think it has a lot of replay value and is fun, and that's what makes a good game to me.


2 of 10 people found the following review helpful:
Superficial, November 22, 2010

A short one-room high concept game dealing with a suicidal teenage girl.

Endings are numerous, ironically killing yourself is much harder than surviving the night. Many or most of the endings can easily be figured out.

My main gripe with this game is that the main character doesn't really have any reason to kill herself. (Spoiler - click to show)Failing to make the cheerleading squad? Her football quarterback (presumably) jock boyfriend takes another girl to the prom? Sigh... Americans; so pathetic. Such a superficial and pathetic character might actually BE better off dead... GET A LIFE Some deeper drama would have been the saving grace of this game.

In summary, not much can be said about this game. Don't expect any originality or philosophical pondering of the single-minded suicide theme. I also would say that the usage of humour is misplaced in a game that is supposed to be dead serious.

Give it a try if you want to experience a game where you can quickly score results by logical thinking. Trying to find all endings might be fun (some are more stupid than others).

Markoff23


13 of 16 people found the following review helpful:
Uh, no., November 16, 2010

This review of Suicide covers release 1.

The author of Suicide has a menu item entitled “Why make a game about teen suicide?” I’m writing this review because I’m not satisfied with the author’s answer, both in the game menu and in terms of the game itself. For me, a teenage suicide attempt is not an abstract subject. (It’s been over twenty years.) The author might say that I’m not the intended audience for this game. Well, who is the intended audience? If the work’s title was instead something actually funny like You Have To Go, I never would have looked at it.

The author indicates that the original intent was centered around the idea of changing the “*** You have died***” failure message to “*** You have survived***”. The easiest way I know to kill the PC is to type “quit”. If I find the character or the situation uninteresting, I won’t play the game. But to have a player empathize with a PC who wants to commit suicide? That’s an interesting challenge for an author. I can’t even imagine a realistic scenario for this; I’d probably write something about a despised nonhuman character who must commit ritual suicide to appease the vengeful Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Instead, the author of Suicide decided to (try to) write realistically about suicide. The author apparently wanted to write a piece that is both funny and also has a serious message. In my opinion, the author fails on both counts. It is possible to joke about suicide. When I say Suicide isn’t funny, I mean in the sense that it’s boring. It fails as dark humor in, say, the spirit of Harold and Maude or Heathers. As for a serious message, the work is ignorant regarding the experience and psychology of suicide attempts.

A few comments about the work itself. It was beta-tested, and it shows. (Hence a two-star rating.) There are minor spelling issues: the “bath tub”, one ending's name is (Spoiler - click to show)“THERAPUTIC”. The parser does a decent job: I found “turn on faucet” annoying that it assumed I wanted to take a shower, but it’s tough to be too annoyed when it correctly accepts “draw bath” or “fill tub”. The parser does get picky regarding reading one of the diary entries. (The opening quote from “Suicide is Painless”, the copyrighted lyrics to the M*A*S*H theme, needs an attribution.)

A couple of different technical points irritate me. First off, the author doesn’t appear to understand why you can’t kill yourself with a hair dryer. (Spoiler - click to show) If the electrical receptacle in the bathroom contains a GFCI (not described, incidentally) and it is tripped when you bring the hair dryer into the tub, you wouldn’t be able to step out of the tub and immediately power the hair dryer again. It would not “come to life”. You’d have to reset the GFCI first. (I think hair dryers themselves now contain GFCIs anyway. There’s an episode of Mythbusters in which they had to disable the internal GFCIs in order to test a myth.) Secondly, I also must comment on an ending, (Spoiler - click to show) the “GIRL INTERRUPTED” ending: if the PC showed up at an ER with an aspirin overdose, the treatment would likely be activated charcoal, not a stomach pump. I know this from experience, but it’s also easy to find on Wikipedia. Minimal research would have discovered this.

I have more substantial problems with the psychology depicted in this work. The introductory text states: “Tonight’s the night you are going to kill yourself. You walk into the bathroom, realizing that this is the last room you’re ever going to be in alive. The thought is both terrifying and liberating.” I’m sorry, but this last sentence is just wrong. Waking Up, Alive by Richard A. Heckler, Ph.D. does an excellent job describing suicidal attempts “from the inside”. Heckler characterizes a suicidal trance prior to attempts. My point here is that a suicidal person will likely not be experiencing strong emotions. Instead, a suicidal person might end up appearing to an unsuspecting observer detached and at peace. Another problem I have is the simplistic psychology of some of the endings. (Spoiler - click to show) The “THERAPUTIC” ending is, well, stupid. You take ecstasy, which makes you happy, which compels you to tell everything to your parents – uh, no. If this is supposed to be a serious message about suicide not being a quick fix, I’m not sure what this quick fix is doing in here. (There’s also the implicit message that you can’t talk about difficult things unless you feel like it.) The “UNCONSCIOUS DROWNING” ending is filled with pathos, but at the same time it reads a lot like a teenage fantasy of how her parents can’t go on without the PC. I’m not going through every unsuccessful ending, but the few I’ve checked (“GIRL INTERRUPTED”, “SHAKY HANDS”, “SHALLOW CUTS”) make no mention of the PC’s parents after she’s shipped off to psychiatric care, an interesting way of helping the player consider the effect of the PC’s actions on her family.

There’s another problem I have with this work: the choice of a teenaged girl as the PC, (Spoiler - click to show) and she happens to be distraught over a jerk. Let’s face it: teenaged girls face problems that teenaged boys don’t. I’m certainly not going to claim boys have it easy, but I don’t remember getting pregnant or being called a slut. Getting back to our PC: if someone is feeling this isolated and alone – no matter how foolish she is in her reasoning – why would anyone want her to die? I can empathize with her pain, even if I can’t empathize with her decision. Now one can respond by saying “Oh, come on. There’s no real person here. It’s just a game.” That’s a possible reaction. It’s a reaction that’s difficult to reconcile with the author’s stated “hope to have gotten across a message as well.”

The last problem I’ll mention about this game is its tone towards suicide. I first learned about guidelines for media coverage from Kay Redfield Jamison’s excellent book Night Falls Fast. You can find similar guidelines at www.afsp.org, under About Suicide < For The Media < Recommendations. These recommendations were formulated in the context of encouraging responsible news reporting so as to not contribute to suicide contagion. If I someday write dramatically about suicide, I plan to keep such guidelines in mind.

I won’t go through all these recommendations, but I’ll highlight a few points. The guidelines mention that the “cause of an individual suicide is invariably more complicated than a recent painful event such as the break-up of a relationship or the loss of a job.” I can think of a number of reasons why this is important to understand. It helps survivors in healing, in that they didn’t cause it to happen. It can help prevent suicide, in that it places suffering in a broader context of life rather than a shameful silence. It might help all of us in understanding that one sloppy depiction of suicide by itself won’t cause a vulnerable person to go kill themselves. Yet if the author is serious about helping, it’s not enough to risk throwing fuel on a fire and then say, truthfully, “Hey, I didn’t start it.” Since the author has stated a serious intent, I want to mention a couple sentences from the AFSP recommendations. A concern: “Dramatizing the impact of suicide through descriptions and pictures of grieving relatives, teachers or classmates or community expressions of grief may encourage potential victims to see suicide as a way of getting attention or as a form of retaliation against others.” (I’d add “attempted suicide” to the previous sentence.) A recommendation for language: “Whenever possible, it is preferable to avoid referring to suicide in the headline.”

One of the most frustrating aspects of Suicide is that I’m seeing how it could be both a funny and useful piece. Such a rewrite could use the existing code base. It’d be more effective if the PC had a stupid motivation. I can imagine a PC who is 40 years old living alone and disturbed by someone on the Internet who doesn’t understand suicide. Is he moved enough to write a response? NO! He immediately shuts off his computer and runs to the bathroom! That’ll teach that anonymous person online! (Spoiler - click to show) But the PC is wearing a dress, because he doesn’t want to leave the impression that suicidal ideation has a simple cause. If he’s discovered dead by his landlord, the landlord will be pissed off about the condition of the bathroom. If the PC comes to in the ER, the PC starts bitching how Dr. House would be doing a better job. I could go on, but this isn’t my piece to write. Aside from the humor, it also underlines a serious point: apparently, males living alone are at the greatest risk demographically for dying by suicide. (I’m not saying that all males living alone are at risk.)

Having written all of this, there's a basic truth: I don't like writing about suicide. I don't like writing about it for many reasons, but here's one: it's a cheap way of getting attention. It's incredibly hypocritical to write "Don't use suicide as a way of getting attention, even though I just did!" Another reason I hate writing about it is that it often attracts the lecturers about how wrong it is, people who must denounce those who've tried it as crazy or defective or sinners or what have you. I get these reactions, but do they really help anybody? Look: I can appreciate someone who has never stumbled and doesn't have time to wait for stragglers. I just don't see why such a person feels entitled to lecture everybody else on how to walk.

I'm going to end this review by leaving things with the author. If this was either a first draft at an honest treatment of suicide or a "funny" entry with a suicide hotline number thrown in to cover his backside (you never know about that internet . . . .), that's up to him. For the depressed persons reading this review, drawn by the title of this work, I want you to know: you are not alone. It can get better. Things can hurt -- believe me, I know how things can and also wish I didn't know -- but that hurting is what connects you to other people.


2 of 9 people found the following review helpful:
Education, heh, November 14, 2010

Now that's a good game. Play and learn, no less. I hope somebody will remember this piece of ironic dark humor in a hard minute and smile.

On the other hand, I'll afraid someone will remember it and will do the thing professionally.


4 of 8 people found the following review helpful:
Suicide review by IF noob, November 12, 2010
by Romulus (Oklahoma - Texas Panhandle)
Related reviews: one room, suicide, adult, dark humor, prisoner scenario, prisoner dilemma

I've only played Anchorhead (which was great) and this one. I understand the other reviewer's positions entirely, but I really laughed out loud finding some of the solutions like Out of the Fire and into the Frying Pan. Lol.

If one is playing Suicide to delve into the psychological component of a suicidal teenager, the content is neither deep nor broad so that is why I only rated it worthy of 4 stars; then again, a lot of "suicidal" teenagers aren't too deep nor broad-minded, albeit most think so.

I probably rattled with this game for an hour or so, and that was just about right.


7 of 11 people found the following review helpful:
Surprisingly, Not My Cup Of Tea, November 5, 2010
by AmberShards (The Gothic South)

Ordinarily I would eat up a game with dark humor and savor all the odd and eerie elisions that it gave me, but not so, here. I think the first strike is the main character; simply, she doesn't arouse any sympathy or empathy in my chest. She has several character flaws that work against her -- toilet-mouth, sexually loose, rather shallow.

The diary is strike two. If it was well-done, the game could be effective (as a tragedy), but if not, it would mark the long grey march to the end. I was looking forward to a fascinating inner life, one haunted by despair and a clutching for hope, but it came off pedestrian and flat. What the main character has experienced just doesn't seem sufficient to motivate her to commit suicide. The soaring highs, the crashing lows, the sense of oppression from which suicide seems to proffer the only hope -- these are not present. Perhaps that is a backhanded way of demonstrating the needlessness of suicide, but the lack of empathy could just as easily become another brick in the wall. "See? Even people who write games about it don't really understand it!" quoth the overwrought teen.

As for game play, there are very few bugs. The only one I found was where the narrator slipped into first person when second person had been used all along. The game distinguishes sensibly between vague options (such as "turn on water"). You can do most things that you'd expect to be able to. The only exceptions involved water, which is notoriously difficult to deal with, but if you're going to have a tub, I think that you've accepted the challenges of water. To make it purple prose is a cop-out.

The writing style is a bit rough, and it often uses hyphens in the place of semicolons or periods. A bit more polishing is in order.

Finally, the whole razon d'etre of the game is contradictory -- strike three. The help traces the evolution of the game and the author's purpose. After I read that, I thought, "Ok, I can see why he did it." However, not all endings have a postscript as described in the help. Thus, the entire stated reason of the game (to show the effects of suicide) is negated. Was that slapped on to salve the author's conscience? It's a bait-and-switch scenario.

If you're going to make a game like this, it should be better-rounded, simply due to the sensitive subject nature. As it stands, it encourages you to keep playing to see how many different endings you can discover; the different endings of course are different manners in which you attempt suicide. Suicide, despite the author's stated intentions, glorifies suicide.



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